Is the
Israel/Palestine conflict an intractable conflict going back thousands
of years?
Not
really. For the most part it dates back to the rise of the Zionist
movement, starting around the turn of the twentieth century. The
Nazi Holocaust in Europe then results in a massive increase in the
popularity of Zionism, and the immediate post-War period sees the
formation of the state of Israel and the forcible displacement of
700,000 Palestinians. Trouble ever since.
Who are these
Palestinians?
Mostly
farmers and city-dwellers, along with some nomads, a combination of
Muslims, Christians and Jews who have lived in Palestine for
thousands of years. The modern-day Palestinians include the
descendents of the original Jews of the region, most of whom
converted to Christianity or Islam over the generations.
Who are the
Israelis?
This
depends on where you put Israel's borders, which has been a matter of
dispute for a long time – dispute between what Israel says and what
everybody else in the world says, more or less. The area under
direct Israeli military control includes the West Bank and Gaza,
which the rest of the world does not recognize as Israeli territory.
(It was conquered, occupied, and settled by Israeli Jews after 1967 –
illegally as far as the UN is concerned.) So if we're talking about
the whole of Israel plus what the rest of the world knows as the
Occupied Territories, then Israel's population is roughly half Jewish
and half Palestinian Arab. About one million of those Palestinians
live within Israel as second-class citizens, and the rest – the
vast majority – live under direct military occupation, can't vote,
and aren't citizens of anywhere.
So the Israeli
Jews, who are they?
Overwhelmingly,
they are people of European descent, who moved to Palestine before,
during or after World War II. They have been identified as or have
self-identified as Jews (or both) in Europe or North America, where
most of them are from (or are descended from). The Jewish religion
claims Jerusalem as it's holy land. Jerusalem was ruled by a Jewish
king for a little while a long time ago, and for a much longer time
was ruled by the Romans, Ottomans and others. It's the home of at
least three major religions. The European Jews who lay claim to it
are generally not related to the Jews who lived there before – the
Palestinians who they have displaced are, however.
Is Israel a
democracy?
Not
in the modern sense. By Roman standards, yes. But by modern
standards, no. A very large percentage of the adult population of
the land controlled by Israel cannot vote. Not because they have a
criminal record or don't qualify for voting for some other reason,
but because they are Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza.
They're not even subject to civilian rule, but instead, direct
military rule.
But if they let
all the Palestinians vote, then Israel wouldn't be a Jewish state
anymore, right?
Correct.
So the Palestinians need to be occupied, ethnically cleansed, not
allowed to have rights, etc., naturally. The Jewish state must have
a Jewish majority if it's to be a “democracy.” So they can't let
the Palestinian majority have the vote.
So what's the
game plan for Israel here, with regard to the Palestinians?
No
matter what kind of leadership the Palestinians have, whether
religious, secular, collaborationist, oppositional, etc., the Israeli
game plan, as made very clear by Israeli practice, is to take most of
the remaining Palestinian lands away from the Palestinians, forcing
the remaining Palestinian population into crowded cities, much like
the bantustans under Apartheid South Africa, except these bantustans
are surrounded by very high walls with heavily-armed Israeli soldiers
on top of them in guard towers. There is no question that the
Palestinians can't under these circumstances have anything you could
call sovereignty, or a “two state solution.”
Do Jews run the
world?
No.
There are many Jews in very powerful positions politically and
economically, but currently, the only country in the world you could
say is run by Jews is Israel. There are other groups, such as Cuban
Americans in the US, particularly in Florida, who have a
disproportionate political influence because many of them have a
common political agenda, as do many Jews in the US, though not most
of them. There are periods in the history of some countries in
eastern Europe when Jews had a very disproportionate influence on
politics and economics, much like, say, the Chinese minority in
Malaysia does today. But that was a while ago.
After the
horrors of the Nazi Holocaust, don't Jews deserve to have their own
country?
The
Nazis killed millions of people. They killed people for their
political beliefs in very large numbers, and for being gay or
lesbian, for being disabled, and for many other reasons. The idea
that every group victimized by the Nazis needs to run their own
country afterward seems like a strange solution. Better to learn
from what happened in Europe that gave rise to the fascist movement,
and prevent that from happening in the future. In any case, if
you're going to take millions of people and move them somewhere else
in the world, where shall they go? Probably somewhere already
occupied by other people. And then the new occupants are supposed to
run the show? The people from whom they're taking over, by force,
might not like that.
But if Israel
stops oppressing the Palestinians, and gives up the idea of a Jewish
state in favor of a real democracy, what will happen to the Jews?
Haven't Muslims and Jews always had problems with each other?
They
haven't. In fact, there were many thousands of Jews moving into
Palestine during the first few decades of the Zionist movement.
There were tensions of all kinds, but for the most part, the
indigenous Palestinian population and the new arrivals from Europe
got along OK. Which is surprising, given the large numbers of new
arrivals, and the superiority complex many of them had.
Furthermore,
going back over the centuries, while Jews and other nonbelievers were
being ruthlessly slaughtered by Inquisitors and Crusaders in Europe,
the Jewish refugees from Spain and elsewhere went to places like
Istanbul, where they prospered for hundreds of years, an accepted
part of Ottoman society, which was a very multicultural,
multilingual, multireligious society, with a Muslim majority that was
almost incomparably more tolerant than their Catholic and Protestant
counterparts in Europe.
But Hamas
doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist! What about that?
Hamas's
leadership has never said that Jews shouldn't live in Palestine. In
fact, Hamas activists and Jews live peacefully side by side in places
like Nablus, the biggest city in the West Bank, where there is a
longstanding Palestinian Jewish community. But asking Hamas or any
other Palestinian organization or governing entity to recognize a
state which won't itself tell anyone else where their own borders
are, a state which is continually, illegally stealing more and more
Palestinian land for Jewish-only settlements, a state which itself
won't recognize the right of the Palestinians to have a state, this
is different from recognizing that Jews have a right to live in
Palestine alongside other people.
But if a Jew
sets foot in Gaza, he'll be shot, right?
No.
Lots of Jews, and others, regularly visit Gaza, when the Israeli or
Egyptian authorities will allow visitors in. Many of them are
activists with groups like the International Solidarity Movement.
Others are journalists, UN employees, etc. They are welcomed with
open arms by the people of Gaza, including Hamas, and face no
discrimination for being Jewish, let alone violence or threats
thereof.
But I've seen
videos where people in Gaza say things like, “The Jews are coming.
God is great. Kill the Jews.”
For
a lot of regular people in Gaza and various other refugee camps,
people who have never had the opportunity to leave their refugee camp
in their entire lives have the impression that their enemy is “the
Jews.” This is mainly because the only Jews they've ever seen have
been driving tanks, shooting at their kids, and bulldozing their
homes. When they say “the Jews” they are talking about the
Zionists or the Army, but this distinction, for them, seems very
moot, under their extreme circumstances. Even so, many Palestinians,
especially those who have had a chance to travel outside of the
Occupied Territories, end up meeting nice people of Jewish lineage,
and learning that all Jews are not Zionist soldiers trying to kill
them.
But the
settlers left Gaza years ago, and now Hamas is shooting rockets at
Israel. What's up with that? What's their beef?
The
settlers left, but then the fighter jets moved in. Gaza was and is
still very much occupied. An embargo is an act of war. Gaza has
been subject to a merciless embargo maintained by the Israeli
military for many decades. And then drones fly overhead constantly,
firing at people whenever someone in the control room in Israel wants
them to, usually killing women and children more often than their
supposed “terrorist” targets.
But as long as
Hamas is firing rockets, doesn't Israel need to defend itself?
Hamas
is firing rockets in the first place because they don't know what
else to do to try to end the siege of their home by the IDF. The
siege needs to end, the Palestinians need to be able to breath, to
build, to eat, to travel freely within Palestine, to have a port with
access to the outside world, so they can go visit Turkey like so many
Israelis love to do. Then most people won't want to fire rockets at
Israel anymore, and the people who do want to do that won't be able
to get traction, because most people will be living too comfortably
to want to fire rockets at anyone.
But doesn't
Hamas want to stop girls from going to school and nasty stuff like
that?
No.
You're thinking of the Taleban. Hamas is not the Taleban. There
are big, big differences between different Muslim organizations in
the world. If you don't know this, you are either ignorant or
Islamophobic or both. Why would you want to be an ignorant
Islamophobe? Much more interesting to learn about how the world
really is, in all its glorious diversity!
But isn't Hamas
a terrorist group that's oppressing their own people?
Well,
first of all, if they were, it might not be up to Israel or anyone
else to rescue them. And if it were up to someone, Israel would be
the wrong choice, in any case, as would all of the former/current
colonial powers in the region (US, UK, France), who have a proven
record of messing everything up every time (usually on purpose). But
in fact, Hamas is a popular political party that was democratically
elected by popular vote to lead the Palestinian Authority throughout
Gaza and the West Bank just eight years ago, the last time there was
a fair election held in the Occupied Territories. Throughout most of
its existence, Hamas has been dedicated to distributing food, running
hospitals, and fighting against the Israeli occupation of Palestine.
All very popular activities among Palestinians at home and abroad.
This is not to say everybody loves them. There are lots of secular
Palestinians as well as Christian Palestinians who are uncomfortable
with the religious emphasis within the party. But Hamas is not a
terrorist group according to the United Nations, and is
popularly-elected, and very popular, and they believe in educating
girls, too.
So what does
this whole thing have to do with us in the USA, anyway?
Israel
is only able to conduct itself as it does because it has the
political and military backing of the US. These daily atrocities are
committed with our tax dollars, with weaponry we sent them. Plus a
lot of the people running Israel were born and raised in New York and
they have dual citizenship.
So maybe the
whole thing is unfair, but shouldn't the Palestinians just accept
defeat and move on?
Many
of them have been trying to do that for decades, but Israel won't let
them. If Israel had allowed the Palestinians to have a state in all
of the West Bank and Gaza (22% of the original Palestine), things
might have turned out differently. But Israel insists on taking
almost all of Palestine, and controlling all of it. History shows
that if Jews can share the land, so can Muslims and Christians –
even if the Jews in question are not from the region and have no
reasonable historic claim to any of it. That's some pretty
impressive sharing! But it's not good enough for Israel.
But aren't you
a bleeding heart liberal self-loathing Jew middle-class unrealistic
white guy from the suburbs of New York?
Nope. I know what I'm talking about. I've studied the history of
the region, and I've been there, and seen the Israeli occupation up
close. I've spent time with lots of regular people from the region,
not just members of the intelligentsia, including members of all the
major Palestinian factions.
This is all so
different from how I understood the situation. Where can I learn
more about how things really are there?
Turn
off your American news programs, forget about your American
education, and start paying attention to the rest of the world. Get
your news from a variety of different sources, from different
countries, most of which have an English broadcast. Variety is
better, and you won't get that from US news sources for the most
part. You can also read some good books, like anything by Robert
Fisk, Nicholas Guyatt or Phyllis Bennis.
3 comments:
How beautifully said, con size and accurate. Millions of Americans, Canadians and many other who are wilfully ignorant or simply do not know much, but think that they know it all,should start here.
There is ample proper information in the internet, books etc.
jake javanshir. toronto. canada.
How beautifully said, con size and accurate. Millions of Americans, Canadians and many others who are wilfully ignorant or simply do not know much, but think that they know it all should start here.
There is ample proper information in the internet, books etc.
This should be required reading for all all politicians, journalists and anyone else that needs to know more about Palestine. An excellent piece on the subject.
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